https://www.businessinsider.co.za/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T. Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. I need you to meet me halfway. way out by divorcing instead of killing her. #ChrisWatts, A post shared by Nick van der Leek (@nickvdleek) on Jun 7, 2019 at 8:30am PDT. At all. IDK just my two-centsit is hard to see in most families b/c not many of us post so openly about our daily lives. I am also wondering if he had some sort of a recreational drug usethe Oxy being given to SW by CW for the abortion could have been something from his own use for fun with NK?! The YT video I watched as referenced above has a few parts to it that are quite informative and have helped me to fully understand both sides of this marriageand actually if you ask me, there were more than twothere were 4 CW, SW, NK and his parents (mom) were all involved in the marriage I think there were multiple influences and opinions that were making things toxic on both ends. I agree with your points. But the tense silence of pretending everything is fine is not healthy, or helpful. Reportedly, the documentary consists of the archival footage of the case with no narration or enactment; it also includes social media posts, law enforcement recordings, text messages, and home videos. He tried counseling but she wouldn't participate. and then giving long winded opinions about how it was ultimately her fault. I cant come back like this. I just thank God he took the right The doc also discusses Shannan's . In August of this year, Shanann Watts' marriage was crumbling. I think she realized especially during her stay in NC that there was something very wrong and the change was likely permanent. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. I never thought of Shanann possibly using these happy family videos with Chris before her death as a ploy to hang on to him or keep him from leaving. THIS IS TOTAL LEFT FIELD.. She did her schooling from Pinecrest High School in Southern Pines. Hes wishy washy with both and leads them to believe one thing when he actually means another. At some point she was finished with the relationship and iced him out. Its for a specified amount of time I believe. He considered his family an albatross around his neck and divorce was never an option for him after the pregnancy was announced. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. What was their age difference if he met her while she was still in high school? I think Nick Der Leek does an outstanding job because he cleverly reviewed the case in its entirety and was able to provide spot on the mental makeup of both Chris and Shannan beginning with being unequally yoked. Well, it may be because Shanann didnt want to, and thought she could sort of control Watts into not going through with it. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. Thats his choice, how he prefers it. This might have been in an attempt to just glaze over their issues and not answer truthfully but to answer with half-truths. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek, Discovery DocumentsEx husbandLeonard King. I get really frustrated with people who peddle multi level marketing crap and expect their friends and family to subsidize their lifestyle through buying crap they dont want. Hopefully hell spend the rest of his life being emasculated by being another prisoners jail bitch. He'd stopped touching her, kissing her, would barely speak unless spoken to. That summer, Chris had gone from a loving husband to a cheater to a killer. Strangely he could not give the exact date or year they got married. Shanann Watts/Netflix/2020. However. Shanann Watts was an American businesswoman. In his own words: In his own words: August 13th, morning of, I went to the girls' room first, before Shanann and . Meanwhile, Chris began his affair with Nichol Kessinger, a woman he worked with, telling her he was separated. That router article is amazing work Nick! Six days later, she was dead -- strangled at the hands of her own husband. We may never know, but amateur sleuths may want to look at a timeline of their marriage for clues. Odd that when her marriage to King ran into trouble her behavior exactly mirrored that of Chris in the months before the murders: Not waning to engage in conversation, shutting down, withdrawing, physically distancing herself within the home, etc. She did cheat with the dirty south guy. It is how you build one. Chris killed his family for several reasons, financially he was ruined. For anyone who questions if he did, think about losing your child. But she didnt let up about it. You have some real writing talent. And they were his children too, not just shannons. No one just snaps, Glenn said. They dont want family, friends or S/Os to know so they secretly go and get this done. Photo: Facebook, Netflix They met when she was in high school and he was in law school. I think he did use this separation or withdrawal narrative and allowed her to once again lead the conversations and try to pry and get more information for his gain and benefitthis would allow him to gaslight, manipulate, tell her what she wanted to hear. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. You are a complete moron if you think she killed her kids. To think that you have been replaced is scary, when you know there isnt a way to fix things anymore. I knew Chris as a middle schooler and high schooler, he went to school with my kids. Height [1]IMDb jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });: 5 5. According to Shannans ex, she had many of the same traits as Chris! It is hard to understand why Chris committed the violent acts. So theres a match between a victim siding with a victim. On Monday, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, was reported missing along with her two daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. You dont just go out and buy thousands of dollars worth of shit just before filing bankruptcy and expect to keep it. She states that she felt "very insecure" during her first marriage, and goes on to discuss how bad experiences transformed her into a self-motivated woman who built her own home by age 25. Just so sad. Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. The Watts family eventually settled in Frederick, Colorado in a five-bedroom home they bought in 2013. At a later hearing, the bail was set at $5 million, and Chris was required to put down 15% to be released. I think chris felt tremendous pressure from the debt and third baby and family issues and feeling controlled and emasculated. Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. He was an attorney correct? It was a part of his responsibility. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesn't mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Didnt Shanann cheat on Leonard with the middle eastern guy at Dirty South he mentions? He was an average student, pretty smart. Interesting none-the-less. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. ; she had already spent several *5* or so weeks without him before and that was the unfortunate reasoning for the freedom to start his affair with NK. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. The bankruptcy case was closed in October 2015. All parents would want the best education for their children. Christopher is now in jail facing six charges three for first-degree murder and three for tampering with evidence. Need help? "They were going to separate. After he strangled her Chris said. Separation comes up 38 times in the discovery, and 8 times [separate or separating] in the CBI Report. Yet experts in domestic violence say its impossible to know what happens behind closed doors, and social media accounts can act as a tool to hide turmoil in the home. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger.. Chris also said he couldnt talk to her, she wouldnt listen. So they had been together only 8 years and 3 day at the time on that fatal morning. The baby was a way of Chris Watts wanting sex so instead of just asking for sex he says why dont we try for another child. People with less than 2 brain cells should not be allowed to comment on public posts. Totally depressed, unable to eat or sleep and wondering how she was going to make it on her own. Days before Chris Watts murdered his wife, she sent chilling texts to a friend. Similar to C&S relationship. I couldnt imagine a better man for us. I can also see just a natural tendency for women to support another woman in a scenario where the man is cheating. He was interviewed by many news channels where he pleaded for the return of his family. He thought he could sway this to work in his favor. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. The documentary, entitled American Murder: The Family Next Door, began streaming on September 30. Tons of couples go through this type of stuff! Shanann hiding her possible impending divorce, goes along with her living in denial as she does when she tells her Thrive clients that shes a better mother and all around human being because she wears a patch, eats the bars and drinks the shakes. She could barely handle the 2 monsters she had, another on the way, and Chris did a lot around the house to help out with the girls, meanwhile she had them in school that cost them 2K per month. Separating was sort of a trial one when she visited family for 5 weeks, and divorce was push coming to shove in Chriss mind to permanently change his life. In an interview with Dr.Phil, Chris lawyer told how Chris killed his daughters. The kids were told to throw chicken nuggets at him. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesnt mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. However, at the same time he was telling Kessinger a slightly different story. On August 21, Chris was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, an additional one count per child cited as death of a child who had not yet attained 12 years of age and the defendant was in a position of trust, three counts of tampering with a deceased human body, and unlawful termination of a pregnancy. they were flirting long before they ever hooked up and each knew the other was interested in them. Why kill them? Obviously he didnt think it through well enough but I also agree with other posters, he may be someone who is easily pushed over and goes with the flow but having all those strong personality types around him doesnt overshadow the fact that he was harboring a deeper hatred/set of feelings/energy inside, layered deep within himself. Youre right. More info here: https://crimerocket2.com/2020/10/08/frank-rzuceks-letter-to-detective-baumhover-on-his-observations-of-chris-watts-deteriorating-relationship-with-bella-and-ceecee/, Your email address will not be published. I think he was confused and didnt want to make a strong decision either way, yet wanted out of his marriage and family life. Obviously Thrive was all BS and she was facing a pregnancy all by herself, flat broke and facing humiliation from her team/peers and raising kids by herself. In that picture of CW in that dumb shirt SW had made (just her, the girls had *nothing* to do with it) and made him wear, hes showing his teeth but he does not seem happy. So why didnt Watts just get a divorce, like the district attorney said? All of this would allow him to pacify her as well as himself and buy him some more time. There are family annihilation cases each year ~ but I heard that this one took the prize in victim blaming. I think it had more to do with her controlling ways and if she knew in her heart that was why he was becoming distant or non-communicative, she really didnt know how to change that about herself, and instead amped it up until co-existing with her became unbearable to him. According to their bankruptcy documents, they made a combined $100,000 and had a mortgage payment of $3,000 per month on their $400,000 home. Its 2018, but in many families there is still shame associated with being a victim of domestic violence, and survivors often try to put a good face on the relationship, said Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. She was the same way with her 1st husband. Thank you for this. A 34-year-old Shanann was also 15 weeks pregnant with a boy they planned on naming Nico. I think all the abuse and toxicity of being with Shanann and realizing that someone else would want him and treat him well made him snap. In instances such as this, women and children are objects that can be disposed of and that becomes a solution to the problem.. Tammy Lee, an investigator in the case, conducted the . Over the summer of 2018, Chris Watts changed. Her first marriage/husband Discussion I'm interested in Shannan's first marriage. On Nov. 6, Watts pleaded guilty to the nine charges he faced, including five counts of first-degree murder. My former brother in law once told me that he let his wife make most of their decisions. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. You spoil us with love an attention! On June 11 . She ruled EVERY aspect of their lives and he complied with it all. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? Then you file bankruptcy and the moving truck comes and takes all the beautiful stuff you recently purchased along with your new SUV. Easier said than done, of course. In BENEATH THE OIL, for the first time the full extent of how Chris Watts was locked-in is revealed, as well as why he may have broken out of his deeply dysfunctional marriage the way he did. I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? There hasn't been a crime as chilling and tragic as the murder of Shanann Watts and her daughters in a long time. Kessinger says something to same effect, that Watts wanted to sell his home, but not right away. A puzzle that is missing many key pieces. Shanann Watts, the Colorado woman who was recently killed along with her two young daughters, was previously married to a man named Chris Watts. Not sure how often that happens even though Im still friends with my sons ex-wife but it would be very hard not to like her, There is an interview of an ex-girlfriend . No joke. She said he had an empty head, forget everything. Before drilling further into this question, we need to be clear about the difference between divorce and separation. On the morning of Aug. 7, just six days before was she . The reasons that many commit such brutal crimes can be caused by issues such as: a breakdown of the family relationship (this was present in the Watts case) as well as tentative, past and current issues with access and parenting of the children; money issues (they also had a bit of financial hardships), possible mental illness is another reason. Shanann thought or hoped the marriage was stuttering slightly. The final minute of the video posted at this link [an extended version of the clip above] is very insightful in this regard. Chris Watts opened up about the many cracks in his marriage shortly after being sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his family. In 2013, the couple bought a large, five-bedroom home in Frederick, Colorado prior to the birth of their first daughter, Bella. On the day of his arrest, Chris was fired from his job. According to Shananns family, they werent consulted about the film and only came to know about the film when it was already in production. Words have devastating consequences. Chris was released with pending legal proceedings after he posted $750,000 on December 1. That same month Shanann and her daughters flew to North Carolina for six weeks to visit family, per Pop Sugar. We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. If she hated him so much, why didnt she leave him? Shananns job and income depended on selling the idea of Thriving. By clicking Accept All Cookies, you agree to the storing of cookies on your device to enhance site navigation, analyze site usage, and assist in our marketing efforts. Hes the best dad us girls could ask for., Need help? Both native to North Carolina, they married in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina in 2012. The American cable channel Lifetime released a film called Chris Watts: Confessions of a Killer on January 26, 2020. Shan'ann Cathryn Watts, born Shan'ann Rzucek was the late wife of murderer Chris Watts. Shanann Watts Chris Watts familyhttps://www.facebook.com/ShanannWatts/photosCredit: Shanann Watts/Facebook, Chris Wattsdivorcehair jazzSeparationTimeline. Shanann was trying to make sense of it all. Based on her Facebook page, Shanann Watts had it all: a satisfying career that allowed her to travel, two gorgeous little girls, a doting husband and a new baby on the way. Our love just grows strong everyday!". The first indication that something might be wrong in their daughter and her husband's marriage was during a family trip this past summer. From the . Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. But I could be wrong. They were a family. It was reported that she made $80,000 a year. There is this notion of delay, postpone, string things out. A lot of people seem to side with Shanann because shes the victim. Chris, we are so incredibly blessed to have you! she wrote. He comes across as predatory and basic. Cheating is their hallmark. I agree wholeheartedly that relationships/couples/etc. She did tho, threaten him all the time, to take the kids away and he would never see them again. I think they were married 3-4 years. Required fields are marked *. Shanann posted videos of family drama embarrassing Chris and his family, posted at least one video saying she is the dominant one in their family, insulted Chris repeatedly saying things like he has no balls and no game, insulting him to his family and to her friends. After all, it's not hard to see why people thought that. Many have called him a monster, a psychopath, or just pure evil. So why take the children out too? They argued and he strangled her. My relationship with my ex-husband ended up terrible but we divorced and now we are with great other people! Online, she projected the image of a happy wife. Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant with the couple's son when Chris strangled her to death in their bedroom. In addition to the murder charges for Shanann and his daughters, he also pleaded guilty . She worked at the hospital till 2016, and then, joined as an independent representative for Le-vel, a company that markets Thrive health and wellness products. Hearing their parents noises, Bella came in and Chris told her that her mother was sick. But none of those descriptions really explain what led him to commit murder. Shanann knew for months their marriage was in deep deep trouble but she also thought the 3rd pregnancy was a binder to keep Chris in her control. And so I agree with you Holly that five week taste of freedom sealed the deal, and he couldnt go back to business as usual. Coupled with his need to be dependent, the savior/hero and narcissistic (tendencies); he realized he was outmatched and probably felt claustrophobic, trapped, etc. The first time Chris attempted to murder his two children, Shanann was still alive. Obviously he came to this conclusion and carried it out. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. He seems more of a background you and me conquer the world type of dreamer that dates women that are into the same kinksI truly think that is what it was (lust and disillusion) and once you get a taste of someone that flips that switch so to speak it is VERY hard to turn that off. Shannon too did a lot for the family. Shannan's body was . Thats bad enough in private, in a marriage, imagine what it feels like to see that on social media from your partner. Its the underlying current of this entire tragedy. He committed to committing some of the worst offenses and then proceeded to act like it was no big deal. I know we cant judge a parent by a few videos, but I didnt see the passionatly loving parent or strong engagement between he and his kids. A Timeline Of Chris And Shanann Watts' Marriage, Shanann Watts worked for a multi-level marketing company. When nobody answered the doorbell, Nickole notified Chris who was at work, and also called the Frederick Police Department. That last picture here Watts looks like the wolf in sheeps clothing, baring one of his canine teeth. I have been there but sometimes you have to get a reality check. When you think about it it makes no sense Shanann would want to rekindle a romantic flame with Watts at Myrtle Beach then invite her parents along (and children). You put up with 3 impatient, demanding women in the house, she wrote on, after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already. 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